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作者: 新用户    时间: 2005-3-15 09:29
标题: 这题是个什么思路?

一个自然数,最后一位数值移到最前一位.得到一个新的自然数.
新的自然数刚好是这个自然数的两倍.
求此自然数为?

如:
旧                       新                
x=12345            y=51234   
 

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作者: 张翼飞    时间: 2005-3-15 11:03
标题: 回复:这题是个什么思路?

二进制:01,10
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作者: 野 菜 花    时间: 2005-3-15 18:20
标题: 回复:这题是个什么思路?

105263157894736842 *2 = 210526315789473684
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作者: fzy    时间: 2005-3-15 18:51
标题: 回复:回复:这题是个什么思路?

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263157894736842105

315789473684210526www.ddhw.com

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It is not fair! You beat me on this one!  But I have more!

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作者: 野 菜 花    时间: 2005-3-15 18:54
标题: 回复:回复:回复:这题是个什么思路?

You always win, I have never beaten you!
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作者: fzy    时间: 2005-3-15 19:33
标题: 思路

You did. I cheated to get the rest. Just cut and pasted from yours. www.ddhw.com
They are periodical and you found the period before I did.
 
As for the 思路, you just start with a digit less than 5 and start to multiply by 2 and to see when it repeats itself. You will get one of the above numbers.
It looks like they and their repeats are the only such numbers. A repeat is something like
105263157894736842105263157894736842
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作者: sean9991    时间: 2005-3-15 20:27
标题: I would solve it in this way

Let the original number be 10x + y, where y is a single digit positive integer, and x is any positive integer.

We have 2 * (10x + y) = x + 10^m * y, and [log x] = m-1. We use [x] to denote the largest integer that is less than or equal to x.www.ddhw.com

Collect the terms, we have 19 * x = (10^m – 2) * y.  Since y is only single digit, 10^m -2 has to be divisible by 19. 

Let 10^m – 2 = 19 * k.  The left hand side is divisible by 2, so k is divisible by 2.  www.ddhw.com

Let k = 2n.  Now we have 5 * 10^(m-1) – 1 = 19 * n.

Our task is now to find 499….9 such that it's divisible by 19.

This may take a long slip of paper but it is not hard.www.ddhw.com

Next we will find 99…9 such that it's divisible by 19.  This can be simplified as finding 11…1 such that it's divisible by 19.  Another long slip of paper will do it.

You can append any multiples of chunks of 9's you found to the 499…9 you found initially. 

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作者: 野 菜 花    时间: 2005-3-15 21:46
标题: 回复:思路

This number
105263157894736842www.ddhw.com
has an interesting property: multiplying it by any of 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 gets a such repeating number. However, of course, not by 10.
 
My method:
Let x be the old number, y be the last diget, then (x-y)/10+y*10^n=2x
we got
x
=(99...9/19)*y
=52631578947368421*y (instead of multiplication we can use division which I think easier)
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Since the first diget must be less than 5 (otherwise it multiplied by 5 will be more diget),
y not= 1
when y=2, we have x=
105263157894736842
 
when y=3, we have
157894736842105263
 
when y=4... look like all the results for x are such repeating numbers.
 
 
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作者: y    时间: 2005-3-15 21:54
标题: Do other digits work besides 2?

  Do other digits work besides 2?





作者: 怀疑    时间: 2005-3-15 22:42
标题: yes

  yes





作者: 独木桥    时间: 2005-3-15 22:50
标题: 回复:这题是个什么思路?

Let the number be 10x+y, we have (10^n)*y+x=2(10x+y), 19x=(10^n-2)y.
so 10^n-2 is divisible by 19.  17 is the smallest number satisfying this condition. all those numbers are of the form n=17+18k.
 
Divide 1 by 19, we get an infinite sequence of digits with period 18. Begin with 1,2,3 or 4,
cut a segment of length  n=17+18k, we get the number.
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作者: 独木桥    时间: 2005-3-15 23:15
标题: 回复:回复:这题是个什么思路?

1/19=0.052631578947368421052631578947368421.......www.ddhw.com

Starting at any place with digit 1,2,3 or 4, cut a segment of this sequence of length 17+18k(k=1,2,3,...), we get the number. All those numbers can be obtained by this way.

 




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文章来源: 独木桥® 于 2005-3-15 14:50:59
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Let the number be 10x+y, we have (10^n)*y+x=2(10x+y), 19x=(10^n-2)y.
so 10^n-2 is divisible by 19.  17 is the smallest number satisfying this condition. all those numbers are of the form n=17+18k.
 
Divide 1 by 19, we get an infinite sequence of digits with period 18. Begin with 1,2,3 or 4,
cut a segment of length  n=17+18k, we get the number.


 

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作者: 野 菜 花    时间: 2005-3-15 23:28
标题: Interesting!

  Interesting!









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