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作者: ob 时间: 2005-2-24 04:44
标题: 扑克牌残局

甲：44　5　66　88　JJJ QQQ A
乙：7 99 KK
规则：（1）甲先打。
（2）可打单张，对子，三张，不能连不能带。

问：哪方会赢？

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-24 05:58
标题: 有意思的～～甲会赢吧！

有意思的～～甲会赢吧！

作者: ob 时间: 2005-2-24 09:13
标题: 答案正确，能列出过程吗？[:)]

答案正确，能列出过程吗？

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-24 11:13
标题: [:D)]能啊～～

甲先打5，乙肯定要打7www.ddhw.com

然后甲打J或Q，乙肯定passwww.ddhw.com

甲再打4/6/8的其中一张，然后如果拆掉对7，他就输了，www.ddhw.com

如果pass那甲再出4/6/8，依次类推就行了～～^-^

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-24 19:00
标题: i don't think your answer is correct

i don't think your answer is correct

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 00:34
标题: answer

甲should start with 8 in order to win this game. It's quite a complex situation if we want to write down all the options. I'm too lazy for it, and kind of busy these days.

BTW, the problem in 天生愚笨's solution is: After 5-7-J-pass; 4-9-Q-pass; 4-pass; then? 乙will win in this way.

www.ddhw.com

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 03:41
标题: 我认为我没错哦[;)]

如果4pass了，再打Q啊

如果再pass，再打Q

如果再pass，再打6/8其中一张

如果乙打9，那甲就打J

如果乙敢拆对K，那乙肯定输

如果pass，再打6/8。。。。

总之把对全都拆调，就能赢！！

作者: y 时间: 2005-2-25 03:56
标题: 回复：answer

甲can start 5. And later cast 6,6,8,8. The key is cast one at a time. The A is there to kill the K. Use a Q or J to kill 9. The idea is to break the other person's 2 pairs. It is not hard to see it.

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 04:30
标题: 回复：我认为我没错哦[;)]

after 5-7-J-pass; 4-9-Q-pass; 4-pass;

甲:66 88 JJ QQ A; 乙: 9 KK

after Q-pass; Q-pass; 6-9-J-K

甲: 6 88 J A; 乙: K

甲 how to win?

www.ddhw.com

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 04:32
标题: you did not think through the problem.

it's more complicated than your first thought. If you are not convinced, shall we play one game? What is you first move?

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 04:42
标题: 第一次打了J下一次就一定要接着打J，直到把J打光[:)]

第一次打了J下一次就一定要接着打J，直到把J打光

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 04:45
标题: 回复：第一次打了J下一次就一定要接着打J，直到把J打光[:)]

do you mean 5-7-J-pass-J-pass-J-pass? then you lose for sure.

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 04:59
标题: 不是拉～～～[:E]

越弄越乱了，我从头来一次～～J

5- 7- J- passwww.ddhw.com

4- 9- J –pass

4- 9- J- passwww.ddhw.com

6- if K- A, and obviously 甲win; if pass

6-passwww.ddhw.com

8- pass

8-pass

and then QQQ, and A

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 05:02
标题: that is wrong 2

5-7-J-pass

4-9-J-K!

what can u do? you have single 4 and J left.

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 05:15
标题: answer and short explanation

Seems like some explanation is need to learn the beauty of this game. Player 1 should start with 8 to win this game. There are three variants:

1) 8-K; 2) 8-9; 3) 8-pass.

1) after 8-K-pass. it's easy to see player 1 gets good control of player 2's single K with his A and wins.

2) after 8-9-J-pass-5!, now 8 plays the role of J/Q , and player 1 keeps QQQ, which is very flexible, player 1 wins.

3) after 8-pass-5!, same reason as above, 8 is properly used.

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 05:19
标题: [:%]说错其中一步～～不好意思，should like this~~

5- 7- J- pass

4- 9- Q-if K-A, and just 66,88,jj,qq,4; but if 4-9-Q pass

4-9-J-pass

and J-pass

8-pass

....

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 05:24
标题: you go back to your original mistake again

5- 7- J- pass

4-9-Q pass

4-pass!

than what can u do?

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 05:27
标题: if 4-pass then J~~~

if 4-pass then J~~~

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 05:29
标题: 回复：if 4-pass then J~~~

I pass. If J again, I pass again. If 6, then K!

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 05:37
标题: if you pass again, i dont 6, i J~~~

if you pass again, i dont 6, i J~~~

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 05:45
标题: explanation to 天生愚笨

5-7-J-pass

4-9-Q-pass

4-pass

J-pass

you have 66 88 QQ A

i have 9 KK

what is your next move? 6? Q?

6-9-Q-K!

Q-pass-Q?

Q-pass-6-K!

作者: 天生愚笨 时间: 2005-2-25 09:25
标题: 对哦～想得不如你深入！我错了！！[:((]睡觉睡觉！！

对哦～想得不如你深入！我错了！！

睡觉睡觉！！

作者: ob 时间: 2005-2-25 09:40
标题: sean9991果然是高手，PF[@};-]

作者: MYDANN 时间: 2005-2-25 11:57
标题: 回复：扑克牌残局

The key is that you must use the additional J and Q (from their triples) to kill B's two 9s.

The order should be: 5-(7)-8. Then follow the following order to win 8,4,4,6,6.

1> When B casts the first 9, uses a J to kill

2> When B casts the second 9, uses a Q to kill

3> When B casts the K, uses A to kill.

作者: sean9991 时间: 2005-2-25 18:04
标题: that is incorrect answer 2

how about 5-7-8-K! you lose in this way.

作者: flytiger 时间: 2005-7-1 08:28
标题: 回复：扑克牌残局

关键在于甲方要把8对拆单先跑掉,然后拆单跑其它的小牌就可胜出.

作者: flytiger 时间: 2005-7-1 08:39
标题: 回复：回复：我认为我没错哦[;)]

after 5-7-J-pass; 4-9-Q-pass; 4-pass;

甲:66 88 JJ QQ A; 乙: 9 KK

after Q-pass; Q-pass; 6-9-J-K

甲: 6 88 J A; 乙: K

甲 how to win?

先出8对拆单,乙方都pass(不过的话,就会输!),然后再出5,两小对拆单就可以胜出!

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